This next part gets pretty descriptive and has some point blank answers and questions. I am going to apologize in advance if anyone is offended. This is word for word from Stacy Long's interview with Brad's oldest son. The first one.
S: You don't know? Do you get to hang out with her more or....
A: Uh, yeah. I get to go out with her ______my mom_____invite them over
S: Okay.
A: Like ________
S: So you talk to girlfriends on the phone and that's kinda the difference, right. Uh, what about have you ever held hands with a girl?
A: Yeah.
S: You have? Do you _____
A: No. I didn't know what I was doing.
S: Do what?
A: She, she was downstairs and _______
S: Oh, an older woman huh.
A: Yeah.
S: (laughs) Alright. So you know ________. Alright. Ever hugged a girl?
A: No.
S: What about, you ever kissed a girl?
A: (inaudible)
S: Anything else ever happen?
A: No.
S: Tell me if it has, it's okay. You don't have to worry about that. I'm not like putting you on trial or anything here. I'm just______
A: I will.
S: What do you know about stuff like that?
A: About what, stuff like what?
S: You know, boys and girls, hold hands and kissing and anything more.
A: _________
S: Is there anything more to that?
A: Yes.
S: What?
A: A long term relationship
S: What's that mean?
A: It's where you're uh, like my mom and step-dad, and my dad and Rhona and they show affection to each other.
S: Okay. So how do they show affection?
A: Well, I don't know, they just, that's hard.
S: Okay. Uh, and I'm not trying to put you on the spot, I'm just trying to find out what you know okay? And that's how I have to do that is by asking questions. I can't say you know about this and then you say yes or no, okay? I need you to talk to me more than me giving you the answers. You know what I mean?
A: Yes.
S: That makes sense to you? Uh, like I said, I've heard lots of things, okay and I've heard a lot of things described in some major detail, okay. It don't bother me. I've been trained, I've been doing it for a long time so you don't, I don't want you to feel uncomfortable or embarrassed, okay? I ______for me to say that yes you actually do know, okay? I understand that. So, long term relationships people show love and affection, okay. What, what else happens between people in their long term relationships?
A: They have children
S: How do you get kids?
A: They have sex.
S: Okay. What do you know a out sex? How do you know about sex?
A: I don't know, I just....I don't know.
S: Okay. Did somebody sit you down and have a talk with you? Did you learn about it in health class at school or
A: Yeah, we had it in health classes at school.
S: Okay. What did they teach you?
A: I don't know. They showed a video. It was about personal hygiene and stuff
S: Okay. Alright, so about personal hygiene that's not sex.
A: Well I know, but I mean it's , it's like that is like whatever you want to call that class, I don't know. They just showed________
S: Okay. Fine. Uh, so do you know how people have sex?
A: Yeah
S: Can you tell me?
A: Yeah.
S: Okay.
A: They, they, it's hard to explain.
S: I think it's, I know it's hard. Try the best you can. And remember, don't be embarrassed, okay? It's not gonna bother me. Just try, just_____that you do know, okay? Cause you're at a weird age, as far a knowing.
A: Yeah. I don't know, it's hard to explain.
S: Okay. What parts do________
A: The_____parts.
S: Okay. Can you be a little bit more specific what the lower parts are?
A: A dick and a pussy. (I'm sorry to put this, but it's what it says)
S: Okay. How do you, who told you those words? How do you know what those words are?
A: I _______at school.
S: Okay. Yeah____. Alright and there's different types of sex. Do you know that?
A: Yeah. Like oral sex and
S: What is that?
A: I don't remember. There's phone sex.
S: Phone sex?
A: I've heard of that.
S: Okay.
A: And that's all I know.
S: You've not heard any other kind? How'd you hear about oral sex?
A: I don't know. This kid at school was talking about it.
S: Okay. Did he say what it was or how it happens or....
A: No
S: What parts are used? Okay. And_______do you know what that is?
A: I guess I was watching one time and I was______they started dressing up and then this girl______dress up as Robin Hood or something like that and then______
S: She was dressed up like Robin Hood?
A: (inaudible)
S: That's funny. Alright. Uh, what about uh phone sex, are you in to that? If people are by themselves is there anything they can do that's sexual just by themselves?
A: I don't know.
S: If they're alone? Uh, have you ever heard the word masturbate?
A: Yeah.
S: And what does that mean?
A: Sperm uh,_____
S: What?
A: I don't know I just_____
S: _______Okay. What about sperm? Do you know what that is?
A: Yeah, it's uh, it's uh, fluid inside this thing, it's like a fluid in your uh, and it comes up like when a girl she has the sad feeling what I'm talking about is uh before you go on your period then.
S: Okay
A: and then if you try to have kids then the sperm goes up and_____and the sperm and cell inside_________
S: Okay. You______get it,_______where does sperm come from?
A: In a little sack right here.
S: Okay. So how does it get out of the sack?
A: It comes through you privates.
S: Okay. Alright. Have you ever seen any of that?
A: (inaudible)
S: No? Okay. Uh, so masturbating you said sperm, how are those related? I mean
A: They're the same thing I think
S: Okay. No, not necessarily but I'm not her to give you a talk on all that stuff (laughs). Uh, you're , you're on the right page though, okay? I'm, I'm just not going to educate you on everything that's more for somebody else to do (laughs). Uh, what about people ever you know, sometimes people like will touch themselves, has anybody ever done that in front of you?
A: Oh, oh, yeah, I was done at Ann's house and he walked up and he goes (inaudible)
S:_________?
A: Yeah
S: Okay. Anybody else ever done that in front of you?
A: Uh uh.
S: Uh, and you said you've never seen the fluid, sperm, you've never seen that yourself. Okay. Uh, whatever I'm not asking to embarrass you, okay? Things happen, alright? Have you ever touched yourself? if you were up by yourself or
A: Well I got a shower and washed myself but that
S: Okay.
A: it's
S: Okay, but as far as just touching yourself to feel it, you know how it
A: (inaudible) I can wait til you know
S: Okay, Uh, and I'm not asking you to embarrass you okay? Cause that happens. People do that.______normal______. Uh, that's never happened?
A: (inaudible)
S: Okay. Uh, alright.
A: Uncle____told me said don't do it because then they're is people think that they can have pleasure whenever they want it.
S: Okay. Your uncle told you that?
A: Yes
S: And who's that?
A: Ken, my uncle Ken, he's uh my step-dad's sister's husband.
S: Okay. Step-dad, Travis's sister's husband?
A: Yes
S: Now I have to work that out in my head or I'll get confused. Alright. Uh, alright, so he told you not to do that cause that means what now? You'll get pleasure (inaudible)
A: You are sad or something like that and you get pleasure off____like that
S: Alright. Oh, alright, but any of that's never happened though, right? How do you know about touching yourselves and stuff I mean
A: People talk about it at school.
S: Okay Alright, What do they say about it?
A: I don't know, they just walk around, see a girl, _______
S: AW, I don't doubt that one bit. Uh, has anyone ever like explained to you how to do that or showed you how to do that like on themselves or
A: (inaudible)
S: Okay. Uh, has anyone ever wanted to try to touch you in any way, anybody at all in the whole entire world? Has anybody ever tried to touch you?
A: Uh uh
S: Has anybody ever wanted you to touch them?
A: No
S: Never?
A: Well_____told me to hit him so he could like go to the nurse or something like that and I said no I ain't hitting you.
S: Where at?
A: In his balls
S: No, I mean, well that was going to be my next question, but where were you at when he asked you to do that?
A: I walked into the hall and I walked into the bathroom to hit him
S: At school?
A: Yes.
S: Okay (laughs) so he wanted to go to the nurse you said?
A: Yes.
S: Okay. But did anybody else wanted you to touch them in any way?
A: (inaudible)
S: Okay. Has anyone ever themselves in front of you?
A: Well,_______
S: Besides that one person that you were telling me about
A: No, uh, there's a girl that she walks around and stuff and she'll like
S:_____herself? Okay? Anybody else?
A: (inaudible)
S: Alright. Have you ever seen other people touching each other or
A: Yeah.
S: engaged in any kind of stuff. Tell me about that.
A: All they touching each other during school walking through the hall
S: Okay but
A: Making out down the hall.
S: Alright. What does that mean? Making out?
A: Kissing and touching each other.
S: Okay. And where do they touch?
A: In their private parts.
S: In the hall?
A: Yeah
S: Okay.
A: Cause that's, this uh, (clears throat), there upstairs and you walk downstairs and there's like right here is like the door, the door here_______but when you come in ________the teachers don't know about it, well there's a door up here and_________but she's always______
S: Okay. Alright.
A: So stand right here_______.
S: Anybody else you ever seen that's not at school? Ever seen anybody having any type of sex, even on accident? Have you ever walked in and seen anything like that?
A: I walked in_______having sex with sister Michelle.
S: Okay. Alright.
A: I ain't gonna tell.
S: You've never seen anything inappropriate your entire life? Out of the way, anything that you thought that don't seem right but then you may have talked yourself out of that, the thoughts you were having, anything?
A: Uh, I don't know. These kids at school
S: Okay.
A: are just talking about it how they_____it.
S: Alright. I know when you were little, your mom and your dad, grandma, whoever, they were giving you a bath, so let's go back that far, alright. I have to give my little girl a bath and she's just two. Uh, I understand that and it's very peaceful. Since you were old enough, you know, to wash yourself and all that, have you always taken a bath alone?
A: Yes
S: Have you ever taken a bath or a shower or anything with anybody else?
A: Well, while I was little I used to take a shower with my daddy.
S: Okay I got a little....
A: I was about four then.
S: Okay. Any, any kind of, over age,_____
A: Uh uh
S: Okay. Uh, alright. have you ever seen anything on T.V., anything you know the word pornography?
A: No.
S: You ever heard that word?
A: Yes.
S: Okay. You ever seen any type of pornography, that's pictures of people without clothes on or engaged
A: ( inaudible)
S: in adult sexual things. Pictures that can be real from a camera, pictures in a magazine, pictures in a book, something on the computer, movies which can be VCR or DVD, on cable, satellite or whatever.
A: No. All I, all I did was have maybe a pop-up come up.
S: On the computer?
A: yeah
S: Okay. Where were you at when that happened?
A: I was _________working on the Internet and all of a sudden like_____
Let me say right here. Brad Wade did not own a computer. He never had one in his home. So AW was at his mom's home when this happened.
S: Okay. Alright. Uh, alright, got that part. Anything at all that you want to say or what to ask?
A: Well, is my dad, am I gonna see my dad today?
S: I doubt it. I don't know that for sure but just from, usually the way these kinds of things work it's not a quick turn around.
A: Well.
S: But I don't know you may need to ask uh, I don't know if anybody is the volunteer__but anyway uh, we talked to your mom a little bit earlier and uh, you know, asked her and she said that she had seven guys that your dad's been accused of molesting. You know, somebody, and I said well how did they react? How did you react when your mom told you?
This was a blatant LIE that Stacy told this child. His dad had only one accuser.
A: I was sad. I cried.
S: Okay.
A: Now I'm mad cause I didn't, I love him________to do that.
S: That's just it. Uh, you know we have to try to figure stuff out like that, we,_______but we do these things as a team.
A: Uh huh.
S: which is why I say we a lot of times, but the detectives and investigators, they have to figure out a lot of stuff and they talk to a bunch of people where I talk to just the kids, okay? Uh, you know I'm gonna try to keep this as limited as possible, but I talked to a person that accused your dad of this, okay, and that person had a lot of good information, okay? Uh, and were able to give me a lot of information, okay? Uh, I don't make the determination of you know whose telling the truth, that's for a judge to do, I don't do that okay? My point to you is uh you know whey would somebody accuse another person of this if it didn't happen?
A: Because they're mad or jealous of 'em.
S: Okay. Who's mad or jealous of your dad and why?
A: I don't know. I mean, he goes to work, I'm at school, and I get home from school and sometimes he comes by and picks my up and we go to the house.
S: Uh, let's leave all this______alright, uh, Mom says I just kinda, we try to get a little bit of history about kids, you know, we go to talk to them, just to kind of see what life is like for them, you know, today and life is often______you know. She said your grades kinda dropped about last year and just stuff happen, what about you getting in trouble at school?
A: Yes
S: Okay. What kind of trouble?
A: Uh, for fighting.
S: Okay. And that's never happened so much before?
A: No, I usually, I just walk away_______but
S: But what?
A: Hitting figurely
S: What does that_____
A: Uh, pushing him around and hitting him
S: Okay
A: In the arms and in the chest and butt
S: What about at home?_______going on?
A: Sometimes
S: Do you get aggravated or......
A: Yeah, I get mad at my little sister
S: Okay.
A: She always, she's_______I can do whatever I want to.
S: Okay. Alright. Uh mom says that you got mad sometimes at home, she didn't say why or any reasons but she made the comment and that you wanted to live with dad, that, she just kinda gets a little concerned the way she was talking you know. Okay, what you're doing, it's not about where you're at, it's just you, she wants you to be okay. Anything different change for you in the last year, year and a half, besides you getting fed up with people picking on you?
A: Oh,......no, I don't know. I'm not real sure about that.
S: Okay. Alright. Uh, AW, I don't know what's gonna happen, okay? And I'm not going to tell you that this will happen and it don't and then you're gonna say well that girl I talked to she, you know, lied or whatever. Uh, I don't know what's gonna happen. I don't know what's gonna come out of this. Nobody that's involved in this case is gonna be able to tell you that at this point. Okay? I know your world has been turned upside down. Okay. I don't know how it couldn't have been, alright? I know you love your dad. We don't want you not to love him
A: Okay
S: He's you dad. Alright? And just be patient, okay? I know that's hard to do cause I'm not the most patient person in the world. Just be patient and hang in there is the best advice I can give you right now, okay? Is there anything at all that you want to tell me right now?
A: No.
S: Are there any questions that you have?
A: Yeah
S: Okay.
A: How come I can't like talk to my dad or have my dad come over and all that?
S: I don't know that to be honest. I haven't been told, just where is your dad?
A: I don't even know
S: you don't know?
A: I haven't been able to talk to him.
S: Okay. I, I don't know that part cause I don't get a lot of the information on that end thing so like I said I just talk to the kids, okay? But we can try to find those answers for you, okay? Uh, is everything you told me today been the truth?
A: Yes ma'am
S: One hundred percent true? Not stretched just a little bit or anything?
A: No, no
S: Okay. Uh, I rally appreciate you talking to me. I know some things we've had to cover today are not the most popular topics to talk with when you meet somebody for the first time. Okay? I really appreciate you're talking to me though, okay? If there is anything at all that comes up that you think, you know I really want to sit down and ask her about this or talk to her about this because I forgot about it, or whatever, okay? Let your mom know and she can get in contact with the people that can get in contact with me or whatever. Okay? Anything at all that comes up, alright?
A: Yep
S: Anything else you can think of?
A: Nope
S: Okay. Hang tight for a minute and I'm gonna send, we're gonna switch places with you and________are really what we're gonna do, okay?
A: Where my mom is?
S: Uh, I really don't know. I'll have to go see. She's probably talking to Cynthia, do you know Cynthia_______
A: The cardinal?
S: Uh, I guess, uh yes. I think he son's name is Austin, is that okay?
A: Yeah
S: Do you, do you want your mom?
A: I want to see her.
S: You do? Okay. Hang on one second.
(Goes to find mother) (AW is singing, and banging on table, etc.)
This is the first interview with AW. There will be another one that occurred one year to the day later with a very different outcome. He was made to go to a Dr. Hilner who decided for him that his dad was a child molester. But next, I am gonna put on here some statements made by AW mother Carolyn Drew, to detective Jennifer Cooley. Jennifer Cooley was the detective in Brad's case. The statements are very powerful. I will post them next.
Wednesday, June 16, 2010
Monday, June 14, 2010
Actual interviews begin
Now, the first interview I am going to post is the first one of AW. Brad's oldest son. I think the first interview Stacy Long did was with JH, but I want to start with AW because had two interview that contradicted one another in a major way. So here goes and these interviews are lengthy so I will get as much on here as possible before I fall asleep on top of the laptop! Just a little joke. I'm funny! I will typing this word for word from the transcript.
This is Stacy Long and Brad's oldest son AW.
S: My name is Stacy. I'm from a place called the Children's Advocacy Center. (inaudible) And what I do there is I'm called an interviewer so what I do is I talk to kids, big kids, little kids, boys and girls, okay? Uh, and the reason why I talk to kids is just to get information from them and find out what they know. Okay? Uh, (inaudible) are very helpful a lot of times for uh investigation sometimes, just to get information, okay? Uh, so how I get information is I ask a lot of questions, okay? Uh, and uh, I'll do that, I'll ask you a ton of 'em okay? And sometimes I'll ask you questions to be able to know exactly what it is you are talking about if you are talking about something. Uh, so I'm not doing that to make it difficult on you or to try to you know test you out or anything. The reason why I do that is because kids can use like one word and if I talked to three different kids, three different uh definitions can be given to me for that one word, okay? So that's why I ask as many questions as I do. So those you think are just absolutely stupid and some of them you might think are silly or whatever, but I have to do that to make sure I completely understand what it is you are talking about okay?
A: Okay
S: You can ask me questions, you can tell me stuff that you want me to know, that you think I need to know. Whatever. Okay? Pretty much free in here, okay? My rule in here is that you can use any words at all when you are in here. Okay? If it helps you to be able to help me understand. Any words at all. Its not going to embarrass me or make me gall out of this chair, okay? Alright. I've heard a lot. I've heard a lot from three year old.
A: I have, too
S: (laughs) They can surprise you sometimes. Uh, we do videotape interviews ( loud speaker interfering with voice) just one time. I think it's in that clock to be honest but I'm not a hundred percent sure. I forget cause I go to different classes. But I think it may be in that clock somewhere. Somehow. If you can figure that out you're smarter than me. Oh, anyway, we do that so that you can just do this one time. You don't have to talk to a bunch of different people a bunch of different times. That's a good thing, right? It protects you and it protects me and sometimes it can be a substitute like in the future to instead of having to again talk to you over, alright? When I ask you questions today AW, all I need you to do is just be honest with me okay?
A: Okay.
S: I have talked to a lot of kids before, like hundreds. I've been in this about five years and I know that sometimes its hard to talk about the truth. I know sometimes you don't want to have to tell the truth. If we can stick to the truth we'll be doing a lot better off, okay?
A: Okay.
S: Uh, you're not in trouble. You don't get into trouble when you talk to me okay? We don't do that. Uh, just uh, shoot straight with me and we'll be doing good. Alright? Have any questions you want answered?
A: Uh, my mama said she asked and whenever I go to my grandma's to see my dad
S: I have no idea. Uh, that's something we can find out. That's another thing. You may ask me some questions that I have the answer to, I'll try to get it for you or find somebody that can get it for you, okay?
A: Okay.
S: I certainly don't know it all.
A: Okay.
S: Alright? So AW that's what you go by, right?
A: Yes.
S: And how old are you?
A: Twelve.
S: Twelve years old. Okay. So who do you live with?
A: It depends. I just go back and forth.
S: Okay. So
A: My mom has custody of me but (inaudible)
S: Okay. so who's at your mom's house?
A: My half sister, full sister and Travis and mom. ( Travis is step dad)
S: How old are your half and full sisters?
A: I think half sister is eight and full sister is fifteen.
S: What's your mom's name?
A: ( inaudible)
S: (inaudible) is that right?
A: Yes ma'am.
S: And who else besides your sisters and mom and then
A: Prince ( this is what they called the step dad for a long time. He was very mean to AW, not so much to his older sister, but Travis used to literally beat AW with a huge paddle) ( Just a little fyi)
S: And who is that?
A: My step-dad.
S: Alright. How is it at that house?
A: It's fine.
S: You like ( inaudible)
A: I like both places
S: So anything been going on with you that's worthy of mention? Everything going pretty good? Anything.....
A: Yeah, my life's fine.
S: Okay, Good. Anything going on that's not so great?
A: Uh huh. Well we had this situation but still
S: Okay. Other than that it's pretty good?
A: Yeah.
S: Alright. So tell me about this situation. What is this situation?
A: I don't know I think, well my mom told me the other day, somebody accused my dad or something.
S: Okay
A: That's all I know. She said that they said couldn't tell, she couldn't tell me who it was.
S: Okay. So how
A: Well I was just, I was just sad and then I got angry because I know he would never do that.
S: Okay. How you know he wouldn't do that?
A: Well I just, I just know my dad wouldn't (inaudible) he's never done anything (inaudible) he's always been good to me.
S: I have to take these notes AW cause if I don't I'll forget. Cause I interview lots of kids. And I get confused easily. And if I get confused or ______-be sure and correct me. Okay? Uh, but if this bothers you at any time you just tell me to stop and that won't hurt my feelings, okay?_______ Uh, alright so you know your dad wouldn't do that?
I am not sure why the underlines are in this transcript but they are. I am typing it just as it appears.
A: Uh huh
S: You've been around_________ Uh, and I hear what you're saying and I'm not saying, I mean I don't take a side, okay? I'm just here to see what people got to say, okay? But, sometimes it happens where people that you would never expect make really bad choices sometimes for whatever reasons. There are so many reasons out there that people make bad choices that it's not even funny. We could sit here for a week and talk about the reasons why they make bad choices, okay? Uh, so I mean I hear what you are saying and at the same time you know I have to look at it from that perspective, okay? Uh which I don't make the decision about what happens, that's not my job. My job is to get information. Okay? Uh, has your dad ever done anything that you questioned? Not necessarily to you, have you ever seen any behavior, have you ever heard him say anything? Uh, anything at all uh
A: Once he, whenever he gets mad you know he might say a cuss, a cuss word or something
S: Okay?
A: but that's usually it.
S: Alright. You said somebody accused your dad of molesting them. did you say
A: ________my mom said she couldn't tell me cause she didn't know.
S: Okay.
A: And that if she did know, she couldn't tell me much. She couldn't answer, and she said they said she couldn't answer any questions.
S: Yeah, a lot of times what happens is when the information is given so that uh, you know, find out as much as possible about a situation. I don't know what they told your mama, I don't know. Okay? Uh, like I said my job is to find out what you know if you know anything, okay? Uh what does, what does it mean molest? What does that word mean?
A: Touching in places you're not supposed to be? I don't know.
S: Okay. That's a good definition. Okay. Touching in places you're not supposed to be. Okay. Like what would those places be?
A: Your body parts.
S: Okay. Your ears?
A: No. I'm talking about my privates.
S: Okay. So do you have any other words you call your privates?
A: _________
S: Do you know who that was that he was accused of molesting?
A: No, my mom wouldn't _______she really didn't talk to me about it_______.
S: You haven't talked to him since you found this out? Would you normally have talked to him about it?
A: I, I, used to call him a lot and talk to him.
S: You call him, Does he ever call you?
A: Yeah. He calls quite a bit he usually calls when he's at work.
S: Alright.
A: ________
S: Where does he work?
A: Memorial Hospital. He works during the day and _______
S: Alright. Uh, have you ever seen anything, like I said, even remotely related to touching in that way.
A: Uh, nope.
S: Okay.
A: or he won't hit you or nothing unless I hit him you know playing around but uh he'll tell you to 'go on'.
S: Okay. Alright. Uh okay. How long has he been married to Rhona?
A: I think it's five or four years. I'm not sure. They were married in 2, 2001, 2000 and I'm not sure_________. I think it's been about four and a half years.
S: Okay. I'm impressed with you knowing time at twelve. I'm twenty nine and I get it _________
Okay. Uh, so they've been married four or five years. How long have your mom dad been divorced?
A: Uh, since I was, they got divorced in 95, uh, I think. I was two or three.
S: Okay. Alright. You've always had______
A: Yeah
S: with your dad since then.
A: Yeah.
S: Has he always lived in the same place?
A: Yes
S: Where does he live?
The next few lines deal with where Brad lived and the layout of the house.
S: Okay. So uh, I uh, I guess, is that bedroom upstairs your mom's, I mean your dad's or the on downstairs is who's?
A: The twins is ________-but I just sleep on the couch. I like the couch.
S: Okay. Have you always slept on the couch when you go and visit your dad?
A: Well there's a bunk-bed in the room so I _____bottom or top one sometimes, but I'll sleep on the bottom of the bed______
S: Okay. Have you ever slept anywhere else? Have you ever slept in dad's room?
A: Yeah, uh, when I was little I used to sleep with him.
S: Has you dad ever done anything or asked you to do anything that made you uncomfortable or that you felt inappropriate?
A: Uh uh.
S: Where do you think this is coming from?
A: I don't know. I have no clue.
S: Okay. Uh, your mom hasn't told you a whole lot about it and that's at the request for her not to and again she may not know much, I don't really know. Uh, and I'm not going to tell you any great detail about stuff either, okay. But what I am going to tell you is your dad had been accused of molesting a teenage guy. Those are your words, okay. Not many teenage guys are going to come out and accuse somebody of that. Okay? Just for the heck of doing it. Okay? why would anybody do that? HIS WORDS??? When exactly did he say this? It is not on the tape that AW said this at all.
A: I don't know.
S: Yeah, so that's kinda a big concern. Have you ever seen your, do you have any inkling, any feeling at all in your body as to who it might be?
A: Well, JH, I know it's not JH because_________Rhona was saying, cigarette burn______and my dad and him got into a big argument and _______JH______I hadn't really talked to him since.
S: Okay. So, JH hung up on him when your dad called?
A: Uh huh.
S: How do you know about it? Were you there or ___
A: Yeah.
S: Okay. You were at your dad's house or
A: At my mama's but I called, he called me and, I called him and he said have you______I said I don't know what but_________talking to JH or anything cause I'm mad at him.
S: Did he say why?
A: Yeah, he told me JH hung up on him.
S: Okay. Why did JH hang up on him?
A: I don't know that's just what_________
S: So you said you know it's not JH?
A: I mean I know it shouldn't be cause JH is not that way and my dad, I know he wouldn't do that to nobody, but uh, I don't know, the only person that would say that with my dad________
S: Okay. Uh, okay. Alright. Uh, has anybody ever done anything to you that was not okay or that they shouldn't have done?
A: At school these guys hit me but I hit them in the face.
S: Okay. Anybody else?
A: No
S: Okay. So you're twelve, you have a girlfriend or are you into that yet?
A: Uh huh. I just I don't need one now.
S: Don't need one? Why not?
A: Cause they take too much of my time.
S: (laughs) What do they do? How do they take up your time?
A: They want tot stay on the phone.
S: Oh, and you don't like talking on the phone?
A: Uh, it don't matter to me, I mean I got friends that I talk to them some, I'd rather be in the house watching T.V. or outside______or
S: Don't have time to talk to any girls on the phone huh? Alright, Uh, so no girlfriend, do you have, when was your last girlfriend?
A: That, she broke up with me and two weeks ago.
S: Oh. So_______-girlfriend.
A: Yeah.
S: Can I ask what happened?
A: Yeah.
S: Okay?
A: (inaudible)
S: Okay. Why did she break up with you?
A: Because I shaved my head.
S: I understand. So she broke up with you about two weeks ago.
A: Yeah.
S: Okay. So when you have a girlfriend, what is different about having a girlfriend as opposed to a friend that's a girl?
A: I don't know.
Gonna stop for now. This is one half of AW first interview with Stacy Long. Will post the rest in a bit. Got to go have some family time!! Take the little guy swimming for a while!!! Take care and I will be back soon!!!
This is Stacy Long and Brad's oldest son AW.
S: My name is Stacy. I'm from a place called the Children's Advocacy Center. (inaudible) And what I do there is I'm called an interviewer so what I do is I talk to kids, big kids, little kids, boys and girls, okay? Uh, and the reason why I talk to kids is just to get information from them and find out what they know. Okay? Uh, (inaudible) are very helpful a lot of times for uh investigation sometimes, just to get information, okay? Uh, so how I get information is I ask a lot of questions, okay? Uh, and uh, I'll do that, I'll ask you a ton of 'em okay? And sometimes I'll ask you questions to be able to know exactly what it is you are talking about if you are talking about something. Uh, so I'm not doing that to make it difficult on you or to try to you know test you out or anything. The reason why I do that is because kids can use like one word and if I talked to three different kids, three different uh definitions can be given to me for that one word, okay? So that's why I ask as many questions as I do. So those you think are just absolutely stupid and some of them you might think are silly or whatever, but I have to do that to make sure I completely understand what it is you are talking about okay?
A: Okay
S: You can ask me questions, you can tell me stuff that you want me to know, that you think I need to know. Whatever. Okay? Pretty much free in here, okay? My rule in here is that you can use any words at all when you are in here. Okay? If it helps you to be able to help me understand. Any words at all. Its not going to embarrass me or make me gall out of this chair, okay? Alright. I've heard a lot. I've heard a lot from three year old.
A: I have, too
S: (laughs) They can surprise you sometimes. Uh, we do videotape interviews ( loud speaker interfering with voice) just one time. I think it's in that clock to be honest but I'm not a hundred percent sure. I forget cause I go to different classes. But I think it may be in that clock somewhere. Somehow. If you can figure that out you're smarter than me. Oh, anyway, we do that so that you can just do this one time. You don't have to talk to a bunch of different people a bunch of different times. That's a good thing, right? It protects you and it protects me and sometimes it can be a substitute like in the future to instead of having to again talk to you over, alright? When I ask you questions today AW, all I need you to do is just be honest with me okay?
A: Okay.
S: I have talked to a lot of kids before, like hundreds. I've been in this about five years and I know that sometimes its hard to talk about the truth. I know sometimes you don't want to have to tell the truth. If we can stick to the truth we'll be doing a lot better off, okay?
A: Okay.
S: Uh, you're not in trouble. You don't get into trouble when you talk to me okay? We don't do that. Uh, just uh, shoot straight with me and we'll be doing good. Alright? Have any questions you want answered?
A: Uh, my mama said she asked and whenever I go to my grandma's to see my dad
S: I have no idea. Uh, that's something we can find out. That's another thing. You may ask me some questions that I have the answer to, I'll try to get it for you or find somebody that can get it for you, okay?
A: Okay.
S: I certainly don't know it all.
A: Okay.
S: Alright? So AW that's what you go by, right?
A: Yes.
S: And how old are you?
A: Twelve.
S: Twelve years old. Okay. So who do you live with?
A: It depends. I just go back and forth.
S: Okay. So
A: My mom has custody of me but (inaudible)
S: Okay. so who's at your mom's house?
A: My half sister, full sister and Travis and mom. ( Travis is step dad)
S: How old are your half and full sisters?
A: I think half sister is eight and full sister is fifteen.
S: What's your mom's name?
A: ( inaudible)
S: (inaudible) is that right?
A: Yes ma'am.
S: And who else besides your sisters and mom and then
A: Prince ( this is what they called the step dad for a long time. He was very mean to AW, not so much to his older sister, but Travis used to literally beat AW with a huge paddle) ( Just a little fyi)
S: And who is that?
A: My step-dad.
S: Alright. How is it at that house?
A: It's fine.
S: You like ( inaudible)
A: I like both places
S: So anything been going on with you that's worthy of mention? Everything going pretty good? Anything.....
A: Yeah, my life's fine.
S: Okay, Good. Anything going on that's not so great?
A: Uh huh. Well we had this situation but still
S: Okay. Other than that it's pretty good?
A: Yeah.
S: Alright. So tell me about this situation. What is this situation?
A: I don't know I think, well my mom told me the other day, somebody accused my dad or something.
S: Okay
A: That's all I know. She said that they said couldn't tell, she couldn't tell me who it was.
S: Okay. So how
A: Well I was just, I was just sad and then I got angry because I know he would never do that.
S: Okay. How you know he wouldn't do that?
A: Well I just, I just know my dad wouldn't (inaudible) he's never done anything (inaudible) he's always been good to me.
S: I have to take these notes AW cause if I don't I'll forget. Cause I interview lots of kids. And I get confused easily. And if I get confused or ______-be sure and correct me. Okay? Uh, but if this bothers you at any time you just tell me to stop and that won't hurt my feelings, okay?_______ Uh, alright so you know your dad wouldn't do that?
I am not sure why the underlines are in this transcript but they are. I am typing it just as it appears.
A: Uh huh
S: You've been around_________ Uh, and I hear what you're saying and I'm not saying, I mean I don't take a side, okay? I'm just here to see what people got to say, okay? But, sometimes it happens where people that you would never expect make really bad choices sometimes for whatever reasons. There are so many reasons out there that people make bad choices that it's not even funny. We could sit here for a week and talk about the reasons why they make bad choices, okay? Uh, so I mean I hear what you are saying and at the same time you know I have to look at it from that perspective, okay? Uh which I don't make the decision about what happens, that's not my job. My job is to get information. Okay? Uh, has your dad ever done anything that you questioned? Not necessarily to you, have you ever seen any behavior, have you ever heard him say anything? Uh, anything at all uh
A: Once he, whenever he gets mad you know he might say a cuss, a cuss word or something
S: Okay?
A: but that's usually it.
S: Alright. You said somebody accused your dad of molesting them. did you say
A: ________my mom said she couldn't tell me cause she didn't know.
S: Okay.
A: And that if she did know, she couldn't tell me much. She couldn't answer, and she said they said she couldn't answer any questions.
S: Yeah, a lot of times what happens is when the information is given so that uh, you know, find out as much as possible about a situation. I don't know what they told your mama, I don't know. Okay? Uh, like I said my job is to find out what you know if you know anything, okay? Uh what does, what does it mean molest? What does that word mean?
A: Touching in places you're not supposed to be? I don't know.
S: Okay. That's a good definition. Okay. Touching in places you're not supposed to be. Okay. Like what would those places be?
A: Your body parts.
S: Okay. Your ears?
A: No. I'm talking about my privates.
S: Okay. So do you have any other words you call your privates?
A: _________
S: Do you know who that was that he was accused of molesting?
A: No, my mom wouldn't _______she really didn't talk to me about it_______.
S: You haven't talked to him since you found this out? Would you normally have talked to him about it?
A: I, I, used to call him a lot and talk to him.
S: You call him, Does he ever call you?
A: Yeah. He calls quite a bit he usually calls when he's at work.
S: Alright.
A: ________
S: Where does he work?
A: Memorial Hospital. He works during the day and _______
S: Alright. Uh, have you ever seen anything, like I said, even remotely related to touching in that way.
A: Uh, nope.
S: Okay.
A: or he won't hit you or nothing unless I hit him you know playing around but uh he'll tell you to 'go on'.
S: Okay. Alright. Uh okay. How long has he been married to Rhona?
A: I think it's five or four years. I'm not sure. They were married in 2, 2001, 2000 and I'm not sure_________. I think it's been about four and a half years.
S: Okay. I'm impressed with you knowing time at twelve. I'm twenty nine and I get it _________
Okay. Uh, so they've been married four or five years. How long have your mom dad been divorced?
A: Uh, since I was, they got divorced in 95, uh, I think. I was two or three.
S: Okay. Alright. You've always had______
A: Yeah
S: with your dad since then.
A: Yeah.
S: Has he always lived in the same place?
A: Yes
S: Where does he live?
The next few lines deal with where Brad lived and the layout of the house.
S: Okay. So uh, I uh, I guess, is that bedroom upstairs your mom's, I mean your dad's or the on downstairs is who's?
A: The twins is ________-but I just sleep on the couch. I like the couch.
S: Okay. Have you always slept on the couch when you go and visit your dad?
A: Well there's a bunk-bed in the room so I _____bottom or top one sometimes, but I'll sleep on the bottom of the bed______
S: Okay. Have you ever slept anywhere else? Have you ever slept in dad's room?
A: Yeah, uh, when I was little I used to sleep with him.
S: Has you dad ever done anything or asked you to do anything that made you uncomfortable or that you felt inappropriate?
A: Uh uh.
S: Where do you think this is coming from?
A: I don't know. I have no clue.
S: Okay. Uh, your mom hasn't told you a whole lot about it and that's at the request for her not to and again she may not know much, I don't really know. Uh, and I'm not going to tell you any great detail about stuff either, okay. But what I am going to tell you is your dad had been accused of molesting a teenage guy. Those are your words, okay. Not many teenage guys are going to come out and accuse somebody of that. Okay? Just for the heck of doing it. Okay? why would anybody do that? HIS WORDS??? When exactly did he say this? It is not on the tape that AW said this at all.
A: I don't know.
S: Yeah, so that's kinda a big concern. Have you ever seen your, do you have any inkling, any feeling at all in your body as to who it might be?
A: Well, JH, I know it's not JH because_________Rhona was saying, cigarette burn______and my dad and him got into a big argument and _______JH______I hadn't really talked to him since.
S: Okay. So, JH hung up on him when your dad called?
A: Uh huh.
S: How do you know about it? Were you there or ___
A: Yeah.
S: Okay. You were at your dad's house or
A: At my mama's but I called, he called me and, I called him and he said have you______I said I don't know what but_________talking to JH or anything cause I'm mad at him.
S: Did he say why?
A: Yeah, he told me JH hung up on him.
S: Okay. Why did JH hang up on him?
A: I don't know that's just what_________
S: So you said you know it's not JH?
A: I mean I know it shouldn't be cause JH is not that way and my dad, I know he wouldn't do that to nobody, but uh, I don't know, the only person that would say that with my dad________
S: Okay. Uh, okay. Alright. Uh, has anybody ever done anything to you that was not okay or that they shouldn't have done?
A: At school these guys hit me but I hit them in the face.
S: Okay. Anybody else?
A: No
S: Okay. So you're twelve, you have a girlfriend or are you into that yet?
A: Uh huh. I just I don't need one now.
S: Don't need one? Why not?
A: Cause they take too much of my time.
S: (laughs) What do they do? How do they take up your time?
A: They want tot stay on the phone.
S: Oh, and you don't like talking on the phone?
A: Uh, it don't matter to me, I mean I got friends that I talk to them some, I'd rather be in the house watching T.V. or outside______or
S: Don't have time to talk to any girls on the phone huh? Alright, Uh, so no girlfriend, do you have, when was your last girlfriend?
A: That, she broke up with me and two weeks ago.
S: Oh. So_______-girlfriend.
A: Yeah.
S: Can I ask what happened?
A: Yeah.
S: Okay?
A: (inaudible)
S: Okay. Why did she break up with you?
A: Because I shaved my head.
S: I understand. So she broke up with you about two weeks ago.
A: Yeah.
S: Okay. So when you have a girlfriend, what is different about having a girlfriend as opposed to a friend that's a girl?
A: I don't know.
Gonna stop for now. This is one half of AW first interview with Stacy Long. Will post the rest in a bit. Got to go have some family time!! Take the little guy swimming for a while!!! Take care and I will be back soon!!!
Sunday, June 13, 2010
Visit with my brother today
I just wanted to put another post on here today. This is the second one today. My mother and I went to visit my brother today. He is doing well. He says thanks to all the people who have sent him cards and letters being so supportive. He is doing well. He thanks God everyday for his health. He worries about his kids. Especially little BW. He is 7 and he is the one that told Stacy Long point blank that the 'boys' were touching his butt, boobies, and willie. And the sheriff, his current investigator Christy Cole, DFCS, or no one else in that county cares. Even his own mother. She was sitting in on his interview with Stacy Long and she ignored it as well. My brother prays for him daily as he is still in the care of one of the boys on a regular basis. Please pray for little BW.
I am going to post the interviews. All of them if I have the energy. They are all with my brother's children and JH. So five total. And, I also have the tapes of these interviews in my possession. With many copies.
Today my brother asked me to say this. And I know it will come as no surprise to anyone. He truly believed in our justice system. He truly believed Mr. Levitt when he told him it would all be nothing. The investigator, Jennifer Cooley, and Len Gregor knew more than they ever said they knew. They held out information that would have proven what my brother was saying was true. He has a hard time getting past the fact that these people are supposed to be helping people, not ruining their lives. And that is what they do everyday. He said he and Tonya are not the only victims to these people and their wicked ways. There are many. Most of them do not have the money to go out and pay what it takes to fight these cases. These ADA's and investigators know this. It is such a sad thing. I just don't understand, and neither does my brother how in America this can actually happen and it does everyday. He blames the system in Dade, Co. He blames Len Gregor, Christina Cook Connelly Graham, Jennifer Cooley and the crooked system they work for. They took one statement made by a mad teenager and made up lies for the witnesses to say and made it look like my brother is a child molester and he is NOT!! He never did any of the things he was accused of. But as I continue my blogging, I think you will see.
I will be putting interviews and also names of people who are adults. I will only use initials for the children who are still underage. This is all a matter of public record. Enjoy the next few blogs, because they are about to get interesting. And thanks again for your kind words and keep praying for my brother.
I am going to post the interviews. All of them if I have the energy. They are all with my brother's children and JH. So five total. And, I also have the tapes of these interviews in my possession. With many copies.
Today my brother asked me to say this. And I know it will come as no surprise to anyone. He truly believed in our justice system. He truly believed Mr. Levitt when he told him it would all be nothing. The investigator, Jennifer Cooley, and Len Gregor knew more than they ever said they knew. They held out information that would have proven what my brother was saying was true. He has a hard time getting past the fact that these people are supposed to be helping people, not ruining their lives. And that is what they do everyday. He said he and Tonya are not the only victims to these people and their wicked ways. There are many. Most of them do not have the money to go out and pay what it takes to fight these cases. These ADA's and investigators know this. It is such a sad thing. I just don't understand, and neither does my brother how in America this can actually happen and it does everyday. He blames the system in Dade, Co. He blames Len Gregor, Christina Cook Connelly Graham, Jennifer Cooley and the crooked system they work for. They took one statement made by a mad teenager and made up lies for the witnesses to say and made it look like my brother is a child molester and he is NOT!! He never did any of the things he was accused of. But as I continue my blogging, I think you will see.
I will be putting interviews and also names of people who are adults. I will only use initials for the children who are still underage. This is all a matter of public record. Enjoy the next few blogs, because they are about to get interesting. And thanks again for your kind words and keep praying for my brother.
Saturday, June 12, 2010
More of Stacy Long's testimony.
I know it has been a few days since I have been able to get on here. I have been soooo busy!! I have 3 kids and 2 grand kids. I have an 18 yr. old son with kidney stones in both kidneys and one lodged in urethra. Eek!! We are getting him fixed, I think, I hope. OK enough about that and more about the subject. I am going to continue today with more of Stacy Long's testimony at the original trial. It is Mr. Levitt doing the questioning and Stacy Long answering. After just a couple more posts with original transcripts I will move to the motion hearing transcripts and Amy Morton's testimony and affidavits. Here is more from Stacy Long.
Q: Now, it looks like when I went through the transcript of this that about Page 30 of the interview with JH, do you have a copy?
A: I do not.
Q: I'll approach and maybe -
MR. GREGOR: You want to utilize yours, Mr. Levitt?
MR. LEVITT: I'll be glad to.
(By Mr. Levitt)
Q: Let me show you.
A: Okay
Q: And it looks like you sort of switch subjects and go into things that are alleged to have happened in Georgia.
A: I switch subjects the whole time we're talking about what's happened so I'm not sure I'm following you there.
Q: Well, look and see if you don't all of the sudden start talking about what happened on the interstate of Georgia.
A: Prior to what you have highlighted, is that what you are talking about?
Q: Yes, ma'am.
A: Prior to what you have highlighted we're talking about Mr. Wade talking about the size of JH's penis and measuring it with a measuring tape and commenting how Mr. Wade telling JH he is smaller than him. And then I ask, anything else at all, JH, that you can think of that I should know about, anything that you want me to know about, anything you really don't want me to know but you want to tell me anyway, and that's common for that to happen. He says, not a thing. Do you have any questions. No. So then I ask about the incident on the interstate, so that - I mean, I don't see how that's really switching gears, but I think I'm clarifying.
Q: And what I'm asking you is is that when - do you have any notes about when the detective asked you questions?
A: No, there is no way I could keep notes on that and everything else, too.
Q: So it's possible that's questions the detective was having you ask JH?
A: That's very possible, yes.
Q: Well, then it's not you doing the interview it's her doing the interview; isn't it?
A: It's me on the tape.
Q: Well, of course it's you on the tape but it's you on the tape being told what to ask by a detective?
A: We utilize the ear piece to clarify some things in case something is unclear. Sometimes there are things I need to ask more of, because I'm not a detective and I don't know what they need all the time so they'll inform me of that. The best way I can describe to you, the jury, is I act as a filter and law enforcement , DFACS, they have a role in everything. They need certain information and we have a child anywhere from old enough to talk to eighteen so they need information and they let me know that and then I ask the child in a way that's on their level. So I describe myself as a filter. So if that's - I don't see how that is doing their job.
Q: Well, especially with JH you were actually asking the questions, weren't you, almost the whole interview you were asking questions. And children, by the way, are suggestible when an adult asks a question to agreeing with them?
A: No. That's always brought up. And the thing about suggestibility is yes, children are suggestible under certain circumstance.
Q: Here let me ask you on Page 24 I think you said, he was making you do this. Now, you're not asking a question when you said that are you? You're making a statement.
A: Well, I mean, the thing is is you can ask questions and grammatically it may not look like a question on the transcript but it can still be a question.
Q: I mean, I don't have the transcript, I don't know. I'll have to look at that.
There was a short redirect by "The Man", Len Gregor after this, and just said basically that if she can't remember things at 39 yrs old then how could a child remember everything. And Mr. Levitt made another objection that was overruled, as usual! Stacy Long was dismissed from the stand. She is named in Tonya Craft's lawsuit.
Q: Now, it looks like when I went through the transcript of this that about Page 30 of the interview with JH, do you have a copy?
A: I do not.
Q: I'll approach and maybe -
MR. GREGOR: You want to utilize yours, Mr. Levitt?
MR. LEVITT: I'll be glad to.
(By Mr. Levitt)
Q: Let me show you.
A: Okay
Q: And it looks like you sort of switch subjects and go into things that are alleged to have happened in Georgia.
A: I switch subjects the whole time we're talking about what's happened so I'm not sure I'm following you there.
Q: Well, look and see if you don't all of the sudden start talking about what happened on the interstate of Georgia.
A: Prior to what you have highlighted, is that what you are talking about?
Q: Yes, ma'am.
A: Prior to what you have highlighted we're talking about Mr. Wade talking about the size of JH's penis and measuring it with a measuring tape and commenting how Mr. Wade telling JH he is smaller than him. And then I ask, anything else at all, JH, that you can think of that I should know about, anything that you want me to know about, anything you really don't want me to know but you want to tell me anyway, and that's common for that to happen. He says, not a thing. Do you have any questions. No. So then I ask about the incident on the interstate, so that - I mean, I don't see how that's really switching gears, but I think I'm clarifying.
Q: And what I'm asking you is is that when - do you have any notes about when the detective asked you questions?
A: No, there is no way I could keep notes on that and everything else, too.
Q: So it's possible that's questions the detective was having you ask JH?
A: That's very possible, yes.
Q: Well, then it's not you doing the interview it's her doing the interview; isn't it?
A: It's me on the tape.
Q: Well, of course it's you on the tape but it's you on the tape being told what to ask by a detective?
A: We utilize the ear piece to clarify some things in case something is unclear. Sometimes there are things I need to ask more of, because I'm not a detective and I don't know what they need all the time so they'll inform me of that. The best way I can describe to you, the jury, is I act as a filter and law enforcement , DFACS, they have a role in everything. They need certain information and we have a child anywhere from old enough to talk to eighteen so they need information and they let me know that and then I ask the child in a way that's on their level. So I describe myself as a filter. So if that's - I don't see how that is doing their job.
Q: Well, especially with JH you were actually asking the questions, weren't you, almost the whole interview you were asking questions. And children, by the way, are suggestible when an adult asks a question to agreeing with them?
A: No. That's always brought up. And the thing about suggestibility is yes, children are suggestible under certain circumstance.
Q: Here let me ask you on Page 24 I think you said, he was making you do this. Now, you're not asking a question when you said that are you? You're making a statement.
A: Well, I mean, the thing is is you can ask questions and grammatically it may not look like a question on the transcript but it can still be a question.
Q: I mean, I don't have the transcript, I don't know. I'll have to look at that.
There was a short redirect by "The Man", Len Gregor after this, and just said basically that if she can't remember things at 39 yrs old then how could a child remember everything. And Mr. Levitt made another objection that was overruled, as usual! Stacy Long was dismissed from the stand. She is named in Tonya Craft's lawsuit.
Sunday, June 6, 2010
More of Stacy Long
Q But you didn't try to have him explain how it happenend in- it would have to have been after December 29th of 2005, wouldn't it, if he was twelve years old?
A Yes, I guess we can assume that.
Q Okay. Now, with regard to the first interview I guess- well, the first interview you did with him he said nothing had happened?
A Okay. Are we talking about AW?
Q AW, yes.
A Okay. Yes, the first interview AW did not disclose, he was not very happy even at the time.
Q AW denied any inappropriate allegations on that date?
A That is correct.
Q BW (Brad's oldest daughter) denied any inappropriate behavior that she witnessed between her and JH in her interview?
A That's correct.
Q Okay. Now let's go back to the first interview with JH, I guess the only interview?
A Yes.
Q At that time I think you had been a, what you described as a forensic interviewer, for two years and two months?
A In 2006? I started doing forensic interviews in 2002, so that would be four years.
Q I thought you told me that you did it, February 2004 you became a forensic interviewer?
A No, I came back to the CAC in Ft. Oglethorpe in February 2004.
Q Okay. As a forensic interviewer?
A Only. I had worked there previously.
Q But not full time as an interviewer?
A I'm still not full time.
Q And do you have- you said you don't have- is there a degree in forensic interviewing?
A Not that I am aware of.
Q And do you follow a protocol when you do a forensic interview?
A There is a semi-structured model that Cornerhouse teaches, so we follow that when necessary. And just the guidelines of doing a forensic interview.
Q And does that include wearing an ear piece with a detective?
A That can be different for a lot of different centers. We utilize that method. Cornerhouse actually has a phone that rings in the middle of the interview if the detective or case worker has question that interrupts-
Q This is supposed to be an independent interview; isn't it?
A What does that mean?
Q You're supposed to be as an interviewer finding out, you're not supposed to be doing work as a police are you?
A I'm not
Q Okay. Well, when you're wearing an ear piece and things are suggested to you you're not?
A No. That's doing an interview.
Q What I'm asking you is is that when- do you have any notes about when the detective asked you questions?
A No, there's no way I could keep notes on that and everything else, too.
Q So, it's possible that's questions the detective was having you ask?
A That's very possible.
Q Well, then it's not you doing the interview it's her(the detective) doing the interview; isn't it?
A It's me on the tape
I will continue from here on the next blog. Stacy Long is going to say whatever she needs to say to get this conviction for Mr. Gregor.
A Yes, I guess we can assume that.
Q Okay. Now, with regard to the first interview I guess- well, the first interview you did with him he said nothing had happened?
A Okay. Are we talking about AW?
Q AW, yes.
A Okay. Yes, the first interview AW did not disclose, he was not very happy even at the time.
Q AW denied any inappropriate allegations on that date?
A That is correct.
Q BW (Brad's oldest daughter) denied any inappropriate behavior that she witnessed between her and JH in her interview?
A That's correct.
Q Okay. Now let's go back to the first interview with JH, I guess the only interview?
A Yes.
Q At that time I think you had been a, what you described as a forensic interviewer, for two years and two months?
A In 2006? I started doing forensic interviews in 2002, so that would be four years.
Q I thought you told me that you did it, February 2004 you became a forensic interviewer?
A No, I came back to the CAC in Ft. Oglethorpe in February 2004.
Q Okay. As a forensic interviewer?
A Only. I had worked there previously.
Q But not full time as an interviewer?
A I'm still not full time.
Q And do you have- you said you don't have- is there a degree in forensic interviewing?
A Not that I am aware of.
Q And do you follow a protocol when you do a forensic interview?
A There is a semi-structured model that Cornerhouse teaches, so we follow that when necessary. And just the guidelines of doing a forensic interview.
Q And does that include wearing an ear piece with a detective?
A That can be different for a lot of different centers. We utilize that method. Cornerhouse actually has a phone that rings in the middle of the interview if the detective or case worker has question that interrupts-
Q This is supposed to be an independent interview; isn't it?
A What does that mean?
Q You're supposed to be as an interviewer finding out, you're not supposed to be doing work as a police are you?
A I'm not
Q Okay. Well, when you're wearing an ear piece and things are suggested to you you're not?
A No. That's doing an interview.
Q What I'm asking you is is that when- do you have any notes about when the detective asked you questions?
A No, there's no way I could keep notes on that and everything else, too.
Q So, it's possible that's questions the detective was having you ask?
A That's very possible.
Q Well, then it's not you doing the interview it's her(the detective) doing the interview; isn't it?
A It's me on the tape
I will continue from here on the next blog. Stacy Long is going to say whatever she needs to say to get this conviction for Mr. Gregor.
More.........
I am not going to continue with the Q&A's with the witnesses. They answered every question that they were asked, no matter who was asking it, differently. None of JH's brothers or sisters told the same thing twice. But apparently the jury did not hear this. There was a lot of chitter chatter outside the courtroom at every break. No one seemed to care. There were even some words exchanged in the bathroom by one of the state's witnesses and one of our family members. No one seemed to care.
We re-entered the courtroom after a 10 minute break and when the judge came back in she then asked, "who in this courtroom is taking notes?" I raised my hand because I was taking notes. I had my child's spiral notebook with his scribblings on the first few pages. I just flipped until I found a sheet with nothing on it and started writing. I was not the only one in the courtroom taking notes either. She(judge Connelly Graham) then had the bailiff take my notebook from me and give it to her. She started looking through it, first seeing my five year old's artwork, then getting to my notes. I kinda said as she was thumbing through it 'it's my child's notebook, and those are...' she then snapped back at me very rude and said "Did I ask you to speak?" I thought, Oh my god, why did she act so ugly? I hadn't seen anything yet. As she read my 1/4 of a page notes, she then called me, the attorneys, my brother, and the court reporter into chambers. When we got in there she let me have it with both barrels. She cursed at me in the worst way. I will not quote some of the words she used. But I will say one of the things she told me was if I took notes in her courtroom again, she would put my ass in jail. It was the most horrible thing that has ever happened to me. She also said that the county did not have the money to re-try this case. It was appalling.
This whole thing was a circus from start to finish. I am going to do some of the testimony with Mr. Levitt cross examining Stacy Long. It is interesting.
Q Ms Long, there is a lot of reasons a person might delay reporting something form what you've testified to, is that right?
A Reporting or disclosing?
Q Or disclosing-
A Well, yes both actually.
Q And some of those could be that, A, they're now making something up or they've been coached or they've been pressured or they want to please another parent, those are also some reasons that a person might delay reporting?
A Possibly.
Q Okay. And you've got no way to know with him what it was?
A With him being AW or JH or-
Q AW. You couldn't read his mind could you?
A No, I don't have those powers.
Q Now, you already had information on that day, and that was when now?
A Are you referring to the second interview, sir?
Q Yes, the second. I've got, is it April 18th?
A 2007, yes.
Q So a couple of months ago?
A Yes.
Q And you already knew basically what he was going to disclose before you did the interview didn't you?
A No. What he's going to disclose, no.
Q You hadn't talked to any officers about it?
A Yeah, I get some information and a lot of times the information could be AW has come forward, I mean, this is just an example, AW has come forward and said some things and before he didn't disclose.
Q And I take it that on this particular occasion you found out his age, he was, I guess his date of birth was 122993; is that correct?
A That's what I have recorded.
Q And then in 2005 he would have been twelve?
A Yes.
Q All right, And he said that this incident in Alabama occurred when he was was twelve years old; is that correct?
A If that's what was on the tape.
Q Isn't that what it said on the tape? You asked him how old he was when it happened and he said twelve. Do we need to replay it?
A If you want to you could I guess. If that's what it said I'm sure.
Q Well did you make any note of that?
A It's on the tape, I don't have to transcribe that myself.
Q Well, do you disagree with what is on the tape?
A No, I'm not disagreeing.
Q Okay. Did you ask after he said that, say look AW, Brad Wade didn't even see JH or have him stay the night in December of 2005?
A Quite honestly we don't or I don't take a lot of weight in exact dates and all that stuff and carve it in any kind of concrete because I can't give you exact and I'm thirty years old.
Q Well, and some people who are a lot younger could give you that couldn't they?
A It's definitely possible that they could.
Q And you say you start off general and then you narrow the focus?
A That's what we try to do.
We re-entered the courtroom after a 10 minute break and when the judge came back in she then asked, "who in this courtroom is taking notes?" I raised my hand because I was taking notes. I had my child's spiral notebook with his scribblings on the first few pages. I just flipped until I found a sheet with nothing on it and started writing. I was not the only one in the courtroom taking notes either. She(judge Connelly Graham) then had the bailiff take my notebook from me and give it to her. She started looking through it, first seeing my five year old's artwork, then getting to my notes. I kinda said as she was thumbing through it 'it's my child's notebook, and those are...' she then snapped back at me very rude and said "Did I ask you to speak?" I thought, Oh my god, why did she act so ugly? I hadn't seen anything yet. As she read my 1/4 of a page notes, she then called me, the attorneys, my brother, and the court reporter into chambers. When we got in there she let me have it with both barrels. She cursed at me in the worst way. I will not quote some of the words she used. But I will say one of the things she told me was if I took notes in her courtroom again, she would put my ass in jail. It was the most horrible thing that has ever happened to me. She also said that the county did not have the money to re-try this case. It was appalling.
This whole thing was a circus from start to finish. I am going to do some of the testimony with Mr. Levitt cross examining Stacy Long. It is interesting.
Q Ms Long, there is a lot of reasons a person might delay reporting something form what you've testified to, is that right?
A Reporting or disclosing?
Q Or disclosing-
A Well, yes both actually.
Q And some of those could be that, A, they're now making something up or they've been coached or they've been pressured or they want to please another parent, those are also some reasons that a person might delay reporting?
A Possibly.
Q Okay. And you've got no way to know with him what it was?
A With him being AW or JH or-
Q AW. You couldn't read his mind could you?
A No, I don't have those powers.
Q Now, you already had information on that day, and that was when now?
A Are you referring to the second interview, sir?
Q Yes, the second. I've got, is it April 18th?
A 2007, yes.
Q So a couple of months ago?
A Yes.
Q And you already knew basically what he was going to disclose before you did the interview didn't you?
A No. What he's going to disclose, no.
Q You hadn't talked to any officers about it?
A Yeah, I get some information and a lot of times the information could be AW has come forward, I mean, this is just an example, AW has come forward and said some things and before he didn't disclose.
Q And I take it that on this particular occasion you found out his age, he was, I guess his date of birth was 122993; is that correct?
A That's what I have recorded.
Q And then in 2005 he would have been twelve?
A Yes.
Q All right, And he said that this incident in Alabama occurred when he was was twelve years old; is that correct?
A If that's what was on the tape.
Q Isn't that what it said on the tape? You asked him how old he was when it happened and he said twelve. Do we need to replay it?
A If you want to you could I guess. If that's what it said I'm sure.
Q Well did you make any note of that?
A It's on the tape, I don't have to transcribe that myself.
Q Well, do you disagree with what is on the tape?
A No, I'm not disagreeing.
Q Okay. Did you ask after he said that, say look AW, Brad Wade didn't even see JH or have him stay the night in December of 2005?
A Quite honestly we don't or I don't take a lot of weight in exact dates and all that stuff and carve it in any kind of concrete because I can't give you exact and I'm thirty years old.
Q Well, and some people who are a lot younger could give you that couldn't they?
A It's definitely possible that they could.
Q And you say you start off general and then you narrow the focus?
A That's what we try to do.
Saturday, June 5, 2010
Continuing with original trial transcripts
In the last post I put some actual lines from the original trial transcript. I was trying to show how our attorney had no clue what was coming at him. And unfortunately he did not ask. He just waited to see what the witnesses said on the stand and looked back at a deposition that was taken from 4 of the states witnesses 2 weeks prior to the trial. He was kinda blindsided and didn't know enough about the Georgia law to fight it. So unfortunate for us. Each and every witness Mr. Gregor called testified to things that happened in Alabama. And these things were such as, 'I saw Brad wrestling in the floor with JH and he touched his privates.' And one of them said he saw Brad rubbing JH's back. First, he said it was Brad rubbing his shoulders, then a few sentences later, it was his lower back. So which is it? Aren't these witnesses supposed to be telling the truth. None of the witnesses ever saw anything other than things like that. Which is not child molestation.
Our witnesses and Brad were going to testify to the fact that JH and AW showered together and were actually caught doing things with each other that were highly inappropriate. Touching each other and such. Brad's oldest child (we will call her BW) was interviewed by Stacy Long at the CAC, she told Ms. Long during her interview that 'the boys' took showers together all the time. 'The boys' were 14 and 12. Now if you have any son's, you would know that this is unusual for boys that age to do that. Or, at least it would be for my son's. So Mr. Levitt pretty much knew they took showers together because Brad told them. And his wife (now ex) testified to the fact that she would send Brad upstairs to get them out of the bathroom together. But with the application of the RSS, none of this could be told to the jury. Along with the interviews that AW's mother ( we will call her CD) gave to investigators when they came to talk to her.
Here is some of the testimony from JH. I will write it word for word from transcripts.
Questions by Mr. Levitt and answers by JH. This is about 1/4 of the way into his testimony, the beginning of being all the questions about his siblings. Establishing who is full brothers and sisters and who is half brothers and sisters.
Q Mr. H, you took an oath earlier today to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, remember that?
A Yes, sir.
Q When you gave your deposition back on April 27th of this year, that's about 2 weeks ago?
A Okay.
Q You don't disagree with that do you, about two weeks ago?
A Somewhere. I just remember it was Friday.
Q And you gave, again you were under oath to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
A Yes, sir
Q Okay. And again, on that occasion I wasn't there and Mr. Gregor wasn't there were we?
A Right.
Q Your sister RW ( Brad's ex, his older sister) lawyer was there?
A Right
Q The court reporter was there?
A Yeah
Q That's the lady like this that takes down the proceedings. And your- Mr. Wade's lawyer, Sherry Dobbins, was there?
A Right,
Q Mr. Wade was not there?
A Right
Q And your mother was present for at least part of the deposition while you were testifying?
A Right.
Q Okay. And did you tell the whole truth, nothing but the truth on that occasion when you were sworn to?
A Yes, sir.
Q And so if I go back and I look at the testimony that you gave today and the testimony you gave that day it should be the same?
A Yes, sir.
Q And there shouldn't be any differences about any of these instances?
A No, sir.
Q Okay. And was your memory better two weeks ago than it is today about what happened in say 2005 or has it gotten better in the last couple of weeks?
A Sorry? I heard it, I just didn't understand.
Q Do you remember things better the closer they are to when they happen?
A Closer they are-
Q For instance, if something happened three weeks ago did you remember it better three weeks ago or do you remember it better today?
A Well, it just depends.
Q Okay. Now, in addition to the two times you've testified to under oath, if I understand-
A This is the second time.
Q Pardon?
A I said this is the second time under oath.
Q Right. In addition to the two times that you've testified to under oath you also gave a statement or talked about this on Easter Sunday to Eric? ( Eric is his older half brother)
A Part of it.
Q Okay. Well, I was going to ask you, you didn't tell him all of it, you just told him part of it?
A Yeah, I told him that one part.
Q Okay. Then you gave a statement, if I understand, to, did you say-did you give a statement to Eric and Christy(another half sister) the next morning? I'm not clear on that?
A I don't remember what they asked me, but did I give them a statement?
Q When you talked about this matter, whatever detail?
A They just asked me questions. I honestly don't remember what they asked me.
Q Okay. And then you gave- go ahead, you going to say something?
A Okay. They asked me like, I remember Christy did ask me he didn't like stick his penis up my butt or anything like that.
Q Then you gave a statement- did you give a statement to the detective and the lady from, I think you called her Stacy Long?
A Yeah.
Q And did you give the same statement to them?
A I told the child advocacy everything.
Q Okay. So everything that is in that statement should be in what you've told us today and in the deposition?
A Yeah.
Q Okay. And you're sure about that?
A Except for one or two things that I remembered the other day.
I am going to stop there for today. My husband and son are about to kill me. It is a beautiful hot day here in Chattanooga today and they want me to come on and do something with them. I will post more of this testimony later. I am trying to show what kind of testimony the actual VICTIM gave. It is amazing how he gets all twisted up.
Our witnesses and Brad were going to testify to the fact that JH and AW showered together and were actually caught doing things with each other that were highly inappropriate. Touching each other and such. Brad's oldest child (we will call her BW) was interviewed by Stacy Long at the CAC, she told Ms. Long during her interview that 'the boys' took showers together all the time. 'The boys' were 14 and 12. Now if you have any son's, you would know that this is unusual for boys that age to do that. Or, at least it would be for my son's. So Mr. Levitt pretty much knew they took showers together because Brad told them. And his wife (now ex) testified to the fact that she would send Brad upstairs to get them out of the bathroom together. But with the application of the RSS, none of this could be told to the jury. Along with the interviews that AW's mother ( we will call her CD) gave to investigators when they came to talk to her.
Here is some of the testimony from JH. I will write it word for word from transcripts.
Questions by Mr. Levitt and answers by JH. This is about 1/4 of the way into his testimony, the beginning of being all the questions about his siblings. Establishing who is full brothers and sisters and who is half brothers and sisters.
Q Mr. H, you took an oath earlier today to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, remember that?
A Yes, sir.
Q When you gave your deposition back on April 27th of this year, that's about 2 weeks ago?
A Okay.
Q You don't disagree with that do you, about two weeks ago?
A Somewhere. I just remember it was Friday.
Q And you gave, again you were under oath to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
A Yes, sir
Q Okay. And again, on that occasion I wasn't there and Mr. Gregor wasn't there were we?
A Right.
Q Your sister RW ( Brad's ex, his older sister) lawyer was there?
A Right
Q The court reporter was there?
A Yeah
Q That's the lady like this that takes down the proceedings. And your- Mr. Wade's lawyer, Sherry Dobbins, was there?
A Right,
Q Mr. Wade was not there?
A Right
Q And your mother was present for at least part of the deposition while you were testifying?
A Right.
Q Okay. And did you tell the whole truth, nothing but the truth on that occasion when you were sworn to?
A Yes, sir.
Q And so if I go back and I look at the testimony that you gave today and the testimony you gave that day it should be the same?
A Yes, sir.
Q And there shouldn't be any differences about any of these instances?
A No, sir.
Q Okay. And was your memory better two weeks ago than it is today about what happened in say 2005 or has it gotten better in the last couple of weeks?
A Sorry? I heard it, I just didn't understand.
Q Do you remember things better the closer they are to when they happen?
A Closer they are-
Q For instance, if something happened three weeks ago did you remember it better three weeks ago or do you remember it better today?
A Well, it just depends.
Q Okay. Now, in addition to the two times you've testified to under oath, if I understand-
A This is the second time.
Q Pardon?
A I said this is the second time under oath.
Q Right. In addition to the two times that you've testified to under oath you also gave a statement or talked about this on Easter Sunday to Eric? ( Eric is his older half brother)
A Part of it.
Q Okay. Well, I was going to ask you, you didn't tell him all of it, you just told him part of it?
A Yeah, I told him that one part.
Q Okay. Then you gave a statement, if I understand, to, did you say-did you give a statement to Eric and Christy(another half sister) the next morning? I'm not clear on that?
A I don't remember what they asked me, but did I give them a statement?
Q When you talked about this matter, whatever detail?
A They just asked me questions. I honestly don't remember what they asked me.
Q Okay. And then you gave- go ahead, you going to say something?
A Okay. They asked me like, I remember Christy did ask me he didn't like stick his penis up my butt or anything like that.
Q Then you gave a statement- did you give a statement to the detective and the lady from, I think you called her Stacy Long?
A Yeah.
Q And did you give the same statement to them?
A I told the child advocacy everything.
Q Okay. So everything that is in that statement should be in what you've told us today and in the deposition?
A Yeah.
Q Okay. And you're sure about that?
A Except for one or two things that I remembered the other day.
I am going to stop there for today. My husband and son are about to kill me. It is a beautiful hot day here in Chattanooga today and they want me to come on and do something with them. I will post more of this testimony later. I am trying to show what kind of testimony the actual VICTIM gave. It is amazing how he gets all twisted up.
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